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Church Myth-Busting #6(B): The Bible IS Up for DEBATE!

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• GREETING
• PURPOSE
-- This series is directed at ministers and teachers, as well as people seeking to challenge their understanding of scripture. We will be dealing with false and/or questionable teachings, beliefs and practices in the Christian church regarding the supposed "inerrancy" of "The Bible".
• POPULAR NOTIONS
-- Inspired: The Bible is inspired by God, who through the human authors is the divine author of the Bible. This is expressed in the following Bible passage (2 Timothy 3:16)
-- Inerrant: a) God is perfect, the Bible (namely the KJV), as the word of God, must also be perfect, thus, free from error, OR b) In its original form, the Bible is totally without error, and free from all contradiction (to include scientific, geographic, and historic details)
-- Infallible: What the scriptures say regarding matters of faith and Christian practice are wholly useful and true. Some denominations that teach infallibility hold that the historical or scientific details, which may be irrelevant to matters of faith and Christian practice, may contain errors.
• DISCUSSION
-- Discussion should begin with 'What is "The Bible'; Christians should be familiar with history of the Bible (canon); KJV complete with leather binding, red lettering and chapter/verse divisions, did not drop out of the sky
-- Discuss various versions, first English Translation, the "Textus Receptus", KJV, and the role of scribes (excerpts from Erdman book).
-- Christians should be prepared to acknowledge and address apparent errors and inconsistencies (give examples: adulterous woman in John 7:53-8:11, Jesus vs. Joshua in Heb 4:8, Phoebe in Rom 16:1 and Junia in Rom 16:7; "study" in 2 Tim 2:15 ); evidence shows that some changes accidental, some intentional (language or bias);
-- About Early Copyists (excerpt from Misquoting Jesus by Ehrman), http://nytnegro.angelfire.com/misquotingjesus_pg46.pdf
-- About Erasmus, the 'Textus Receptus' and the KJV (excerpt from Misquoting Jesus by Ehrman), http://nytnegro.angelfire.com/misquotingjesus_pg78.pdf
-- ABout Textual Alterations Involving Women (excerpt from Misquoting Jesus by Ehrman), http://nytnegro.angelfire.com/misquotingjesus_pg178.pdf
-- While manuscripts present problems, they are at same time compelling in making the case for authenticity of the biblical writings:
• Hank Hanegraaff - President of Christian Research Institute. Explains that scripture is "historic and evidential'. Developed M.A.P.S. methodology to evaluate reliability of the Bible:
-- Manuscripts | Archaeology | Prophecy | Statistics
• Simon Greenleaf - One of the principle founders of the Harvard Law School, originally set out to disprove the biblical testimony concerning the resurrection of Jesus Christ. He is distinguished as one who applied the canons of the ancient document rule to establish the authenticity of the gospel accounts, as well as cross-examination principles in assessing the testimony of those who bore witness to the crucifixion and resurrection of Christ.
-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Greenleaf
-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Testimony_of_the_Evangelist
• Joslin "Josh" McDowell - According to McDowell, he was as an agnostic at college when he decided to prepare a paper that would examine the historical evidence of the Christian faith in order to disprove it. However, he converted to Christianity, after, as he says, he found evidence for it, not against it.
-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josh_McDowell
• CONCLUSION -- Bible reveals God as One you can know for yourself; Abraham knew God when there was no Bible or Torah. You can have confidence in the Bible, but you are not saved by the Bible. The "FINAL AUTHORITY" is not the Bible, but Jesus Christ. Your ultimate confidence should be in God (Jesus Christ).

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Misquoting Jesus, Stanford Lecture, How Bible Tainted 2/10JESUS: The Super Zombie MythIs the Old Testament Accurate?
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Misquoting Jesus, Stanford Lecture, How Bible Tainted 2/10JESUS: The Super Zombie MythIs the Old Testament Accurate?


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He's right. An ... ( 8 months ago by millerhighlife06)
He's right. An example of the Catholic's Bible can be found at a local parish (or public) library. The New Jerusalem Bible is a fine example of this. - Student of Biblical Linguistics
Thanks Miller, but ... ( 8 months ago by jehovahuponyou)
Thanks Miller, but I have learned not to take too much information from the Catholics.
The Catholics included the 'apocrypha' in its council of Trent - but even then was selective to exclude II Esdras, because 7:105of that book forbids Praying for the dead (my, how honest)! JB?????
The Baptist don't hold that the apocrypha is Scripture nor do any Protestant groups!!!
Even the Catholics consider the apocrypha only 'deutero-canonical' or secondary writings!!!
Thanks for the info!!!!!!!
The Catholics are ... ( 8 months ago by NotYourTypicalNegro)
The Catholics are kind of weird on lots of things. For example, "deutero-canonical" DOES NOT mean "non-canonical" to them.
If you like NYTN, ... ( 8 months ago by jehovahuponyou)
If you like NYTN, you may say that again...LOL!!!
But I'm sure many Catholics are Saved (not the Poop and his hinchmen, but the common folk like you and I)!!!
I did note in my post that their blessed (rolls eyes) use of the Latin phrase 'deutero-canonical' does not mean 'non-canonical when I typed:
"Even the Catholics consider the apocrypha only 'deutero-canonical' or secondary writings!!!"
But again - then they pick and choose.
Certainly there have been 'debates'/'misgivings'...
Array ( 8 months ago by jehovahuponyou)
...&c. about what Books should be included down through the ages - BUT I have a question: "Why would God Inspire His Word, then not preserve It?!"
I believe God did Inspire the Scriptures, and I do believe God did preserve His Scriptures!!!
And with that I also believe that a date of 150-180AD for closing the Canon (66 Books) of Scripture is not far fetched!
The last Inspired writing was 95-96AD (sorry Poop) so in 85 years it is possible for the early Churches to have completed It!!!
I am an atheist but ... ( 8 months ago by Doublebug1)
I am an atheist but I do like your reasoning that the Bible is up for debate as it came to us through the process of debate. Excellent insight. :)
DUDbug baffles us ... ( 8 months ago by jehovahuponyou)
DUDbug baffles us with his...
Array ( 5 months ago by no1TruthTeller)
False teaching.
The bible came to us by debate? What the hell are you on about? The bible came from God through his servants by INSPIRATION, NOT DEBATE.
From the books you are reading, and the way you talk..its obvious you have an anti-christ agenda. You are CLEARLY not a grounded christian, because you are being tossed to and fro by every wind of doctrine.
Please explain to me why a holy-ghost filled child of God will read and regurgitate information in a book written by an agnostic?!
no1TruthTeller, I ... ( 5 months ago by NotYourTypicalNegro)
no1TruthTeller, I don't have time to argue with ignorance. People who are insecure always resort to personal attacks instead of dealing with the issues. I look forward to your presentation of facts and scriptural reference as it relates to he subject at hand.
Also, please stop coming on here attempting argue with me on things that are irrefutable. The Bible DID come into being through processes of debate. Please study canonization and the history of the Bible.
Stop wasting my time.
the bible we have ... ( 4 months ago by acef016)
the bible we have now might have come to us by debate during many translations, but originally the bible was written by men who were inspired by god. the bible is THE WORD OF GOD and not the word of men. so it is definitely a false teaching to say that the bible was FORMED by debate. but i would agree with someone that said the bible was debated and might have undergone minor changes and/or errors bc of debate during translation.
all in all the ... ( 4 months ago by acef016)
all in all the bible IS inerrant. the minor errors in the bible were formed by men during translations. to say that the bible is not inerrant bc of those teachings is incorrect. An besides the minor errors during translation the bible is perfectly inerrant and infalliable
acef016, I'm ... ( 4 months ago by NotYourTypicalNegro)
acef016, I'm watching each one of these comments you're making on my videos, and I must say that you should listen more carefully before you say things.
Like I said in the video, the Bible that you rely on today came about by process of debate. That is a historical fact that cannot be disputed. And it is very much the word of men, because men are responsible for many of the errors.
acef016, to say the ... ( 4 months ago by NotYourTypicalNegro)
acef016, to say the Bible is "inerrant" or "infallible" is a philosophical statement. A factual statement, however, is that the bible has indeed (and does now) contain grammatical, spelling, and/or translation errors. That is a fact that Christians should own up to and not be afraid of. I really don't see what the problem is.
inerrant? what ... ( 4 months ago by tntwinslow)
inerrant? what pharmacosia (pharmaceuticals) are you on? The English version is Suspect!Is it ok to replace someones name with a title? Answer must be an Emphatic,"NO!" Then why would you accept the scribes version or better, PERversion. Almost 7000 (seven thousand!) times the name of the Eternal One has been replaced with a title. Not just ANY title but one that ANYone can have as a Landowner in England. Now unless you become as a child YOU will in NO WISE ENTER into the Kingdom of Heaven.
so who inspired the ... ( 4 months ago by tntwinslow)
so who inspired the new versions? Your God? What is his name and the name of His son , If thou canst tell me.? If you say JC or yayZeus you are decieved. Now the question is whether or not you will decide to Love the truth NO matter where it takes you. Few be that go therin" you seem to be in the mainstream. That very wide road. I will truly discuss or debate this matter. you choose.
Why would any ... ( 3 months ago by kingxicano)
Why would any author write about a character like Jesus and the predictions from 1500 years. Why would any human author would write about Earth ending, destroying. No human would write this in the book. You have no debate.
The bible came out ... ( 3 months ago by ofreshartist)
The bible came out of the sky? no it was written inspired directly by God written by the prophets that were there. This guy is confused. Your clearly ignorant on the subject.Isiah 53:12(KJV) proves that Jesus is the messiah fulfilled (Mark 15:24) .Just check out my channel it has alot of information about the bible.
yep, the Word of ... ( 2 months ago by tm11111111)
yep, the Word of God did come by inspration and not of debate. If you read on the top right corner about "info" on the video and go all the way to the botton of "conclusion"
where he says that were not saved by the bible but by Jesus Christ.....hmmmmmm.... in John 1:1 talks about God being the Word.....
no1TruthTeller... i totally agree with you that this message is FALSE
tm11111111, ... ( 2 months ago by NotYourTypicalNegro)
tm11111111, apparently you're not familiar with how we do things here. When you make a claim, you are required to substantiate it. Also, you must use scripture in context. You have failed in both areas here: a) The Bible DID come by a process of debate (and that cannot be disputed). Please read church history regarding 'canonization'. b) "In the beginning" THERE WAS NO 'BIBLE', sir. Do you not understand that? The 'word' (logos) IS NOT the Bible, sir. It is Jesus Christ Himself.
yep, Jesus IS the ... ( 2 months ago by tm11111111)
yep, Jesus IS the Word.
Do you believe there is error in the Word of God?
Great discussion ... ( 2 months ago by DrNegro2U)
Great discussion NYTN: The bible we have today is a compilation of writings that a council decided upon regarding what THEY determined was or was not inauthentic. Religion, politics, and Euroecentrism were involved. I do question your statement that Jesus is the Logos. This term is peculiar of greek, not hebraic culture--in fact, it is almost alien other cultures. John does not say JESUS was the logos (a thought, a word). This text is THE most misinterpreted in my opinion, the greek is bizarre.
dont waste your ... ( 1 month ago by KIKEYANO)
dont waste your time finding error on the bible. But tell the world that Jesus is alive and he is coming soon to judge the world
KIKEYANO, what are ... ( 1 month ago by NotYourTypicalNegro)
KIKEYANO, what are you talking about? No one is 'finding error' in the Bible. Apparently you didn't listen very well.
Did you do research ... ( 2 days ago by japanz1984)
Did you do research beyond the bible though?That's what he's trying to explain.....



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