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9/11 Debate: Loose Change vs. Popular Mechanics pt. 4

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September 11, 2001 - five years after the attacks many people are asking questions about what happened on that day in New York, Washington and Pennsylvania. Websites, articles, books and documentaries have put forward a variety of alternate theories to the government's account of what happened. The most popular of these is a documentary called "Loose Change." Now, a book dealing with many of these theories has just been published by the magazine Popular Mechanics, it's called "Debunking 9/11 Myths: Why Conspiracy Theories Can't Stand Up to the Facts." In a Democracy Now! national broadcast exclusive, we host a debate between the filmmakers of Loose Change and the editors of Popular Mechanics on 9/11.

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"Honestly, do you ... ( 1 day ago by TeleCumber)
"Honestly, do you really think Bush & his administration planned to do that?"
Since you asked..
I don't necessarily think Bush had anything to do with the planning, he could barely plan breakfast. There are alot of people behind the scenes, or even Cheney himself, who benefit financially. I also think it's possible they thought they were making a good decision for the people, and that the people just don't realise it. Ends justify the means. Greed, fear and lack of empathy make evil people.
The sci guys got ... ( 1 day ago by Fighting89Back)
The sci guys got owned!
The biggest ... ( 1 day ago by mmtot)
The biggest argument for me is still WTC 7 ,the footage says it all !
You mean this ... ( 1 day ago by greywolf424)
You mean this footage which shows the massive damage to the building before it came down.
The Third Tower: The Fires: v=gbIr7Ln4fXY
Or the twoofers bullshit version of events
Greed, fear and ... ( 1 day ago by greywolf424)
Greed, fear and lack of empathy make twoofers.
greysacks424. Give ... ( 1 day ago by TeleCumber)
greysacks424. Give it up. You don't know when you're wrong.
"greysacks424. Give ... ( 1 day ago by greywolf424)
"greysacks424. Give it up. You don't know when you're wrong. "
Coming from you, that is just too hysterical, pathetic hypocrite, you haven't been right about anything yet.
"I'm not calling ... ( 1 day ago by benherne1990)
"I'm not calling anyone a liar, sir. I'm calling you a liar."
It was a controlled ... ( 23 hours ago by mmtot)
It was a controlled demolition falling completely straight ,if you think fire can make that happen your crazy my fiend.
Array ( 21 hours ago by terrymanning1)
Nice speech & theory telecumber.
Trouble is you have to prove it!
But you cant.
And you're not interested in trying to prove your theories either, because with any critical thinking ability you would realise that the inside job stuff is utter garbage. It would be impossible to plan, execute & then keep secret such a heinous crime.
Of course, the acceptance of that would ruin the whole point of you & the rest of you 'truthers' being here......to promote your anti-USA agenda by deceit.
I feel like i'm ... ( 18 hours ago by andru3x)
I feel like i'm watching the people's court...u know those episodes where one dilusional person believes some person/business did all this bad stuff to them/or ripped them off...they claim all this retarded stuff but have NO evidence...and the other person has all the unpaid bills/invoices/contracts and just wants to laugh
"It was a ... ( 18 hours ago by greywolf424)
"It was a controlled demolition falling completely straight ,if you think fire can make that happen your crazy my fiend."
BULLSHIT. You have zero scientifically verifiable evidence to support your laughable claim.
I love how the ... ( 11 hours ago by m015094)
I love how the Loose Change movie emphasizes all the comments made by the 24 hour news program on the morning of 9-11 about implosions.
Are they going to infer that the commentators knew about the "conspiracy"??
Lame.
Array ( 11 hours ago by m015094)
Jason Bermas:
"I'm not calling anybody a liar, sir..(half a second later)... I'm calling you a liar."
Bermas is an idiot.
"You have zero ... ( 11 hours ago by NightMangler)
"You have zero scientifically verifiable evidence to support your laughable claim." - greyballs424
Same goes for the governments collapse theory.Its called "Tentitive Theory" unproven and not worth our time.
So yes! you are indeed a laughable clown greywolf424.
"to promote your ... ( 9 hours ago by TeleCumber)
"to promote your anti-USA agenda "
~terrymanning1~
This actually reveals your agenda.
You think the truth movement is anti-american. This is what you're fighting against. You're not looking for truth you're pushing back on the "anti-american" truthers.
You're just a nationalist like most OCTers.
Array ( 8 hours ago by terrymanning1)
telecumber
In what way does my stance "reveal my agenda" as you put it?
I didnt say the 'truth' movement is entirely anti-USA, but it's leaders have three possible agendas:
1) Make money from gullible people who have an anti-authority disposition.
2) Promote an anti-Bush/USA political agenda.
3) Or both.
And I already know the REAL truth about 9/11. Its all in the official reports, of which NOTHING has been disproven by the laughably named 'truth' movement.
The truth is in the ... ( 8 hours ago by TeleCumber)
The truth is in the official reports?
No, it isn't.
When governments stage false flag operations, the reports they release aren't truthful. The official reports released after pearl harbour didn't reveal they knew about it and let it happen. Official accounts of the Gulf of tonkin lie didn't reveal it was staged by the US. That would be counterproductive and defeat the purpose. Think for yourself.
Array ( 7 hours ago by terrymanning1)
telecumber
Before you can accuse the official reports of not being truthful, you have to prove that 9/11 was a 'false flag' operation. 'Truthers' alot smarter than you have been trying to do that for years now & come up with ZERO evidence. NOTHING!
The past is not proof 9/11 was a false flag operation. Try again.
It's called ... ( 7 hours ago by TeleCumber)
It's called circumstantial evidence. There won't be definitive proof until there is an indepedent investigation.
You're right past false flag ops don't prove 9/11 was, but there's a pattern.
The typical OCTer upon initially hearing the possibility 9/11 was an inside job went "BULLSHIT!" and set about proving he was right. Smart people said "hmm that's interesting I want to learn more". That's the difference. To believe it wasn't an inside job you have to ignore hundreds of bizarre coincidences
Array ( 6 hours ago by terrymanning1)
telecumber
Circumstantial evidence is not evidence! Its the product of imagination. Loose Change is a typical example of that. Avery wrote LC a fictional script that he then claimed as fact. He has since admitted LC is full of errors, dubious claims & comes to conclusions not backed up by facts. But you know that. You've seen the Hardfire debate no doubt.
Around every major world/news event conspiracy theorists spring up because there are gullible people willing to buy into their lies.
Yes circumstantial ... ( 6 hours ago by TeleCumber)
Yes circumstantial evidence and coincidences are used as evidence and are supposed to be investigated to build a case in court. Dylan said it was to be a fictional story but it quickly became obvious it wasn't fiction once he started researching. Yes there were errors and the unfounded conclusions are obvious, such as voice emulation etc. But that doesn't mean none of it's factual. It's obvious there's alot of truth in it, and alot of it is straight from media/govt statements.
"Around every major ... ( 6 hours ago by TeleCumber)
"Around every major world/news event conspiracy theorists spring up because there are gullible people willing to buy into their lies. "
It's a flaw in your cognitive functioning to group everyone as "conspiracy theorists" as if it's an ailment, and these people have some agenda. In that group you're including Firemen, congressmen, victims families, engineers, architects, pilots, general public etc.
Array ( 5 hours ago by terrymanning1)
telecumber
If Loose Change first edition was fact, why have they dropped so much of it from later editions? Surely there's only one truth, right?
You wont find ANY of it in LC.
Some errors: Fake calls. Pods under aircraft. Missiles fired before planes hit towers. No plane crash at Shanksville. Saying the official story said jet fuel vaporised AA77. Stand down orders....I could go on.
What amazes me is that people like you still give LC any credibility! THEY LIED! Not errors. LIES.



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