The Veritas Forum: The Language of God (Francis Collins)

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The Veritas Forum: The Language of God (Francis Collins)

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"The Language of God: Intellectual Reflections of a Christian Geneticist"
February 4, 2008, at The University of California, Berkeley
Presentation by Dr. Francis Collins, head of the Human Genome Project and director of the National Human Genome Research Institute. Dr. Collins presents a case for harmony between faith in science and faith in God. He also shares about his personal intellectual and spiritual journey from agnosticism, to atheism, and to Christianity.
Followed by an interview conducted by Jasper Rine, Howard Hughes Professor and Professor of Genetics, Genomics and Development at UC Berkeley.
Followed by audience Q &A.
Visit http://veritas.org more recordings and information.

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CDarwin2k7: see my ... ( 1 month ago by Philos2006)

CDarwin2k7: see my personal note.

more proof that the ... ( 1 month ago by blessedvic)

more proof that the universe was created by intelligence and not accident,aka God.

Philos, how can ... ( 1 month ago by clarkster28)

Philos, how can energy always existed in this universe when it is said energy, matter, time began at the big bang. Energy and time had to be created from somewhere. Sure atheist say there convinced but it sure as hell is funny that someone who is confident God doesn't exist would get so huffy and be vehement about proving he doesn't. No one confident would get angry like that, it merely shows there not confident God doesn't exist. It's a beleif system like all others although irreligious.

Clarkster28: You ... ( 1 month ago by Philos2006)

Clarkster28: You again make baseless assumptions.Science has nothing to do with proving or disproving god. God is outside the realm of the material world. If atheism is a belief-system, then baldness is a haircolor.

Ok, I agree with ... ( 1 month ago by clarkster28)

Ok, I agree with God being outside the realm of the material world. However, I disagree with your atheism isn't a belief. Atheism is placing belief there isn't any God. In order for atheism to not be a faith it has to be proven 100 percent that the universe created itself, abiogenesis occured, and the supernatural doesn't occur otherwise I take taking the latter to be taken on faith. Atheism certainly is a belief (a secular belief) but a belief nonetheless.

Examen your logic. ... ( 1 month ago by Philos2006)

Examen your logic. It`s flawed. You equate "not believing something" with "believing something". Atheism is a "default" position.

Not believing is ... ( 1 month ago by Prey2Hunter)

Not believing is believing not; if you do not believe "something", you believe that "something" is false.

Prey: you are ... ( 1 month ago by Philos2006)

Prey: you are saying that" not collecting postage stamps" is a "hobby ". Your logic makes no sense.

Do I buy into this? ... ( 4 weeks ago by quezcatol)

Do I buy into this?
No,Phil Collins see what he wanna see,with that said the man is a fantastic person who mapped the human genome and found diseases anyone who attack this man is a moron himself,atleast he is doing something for us then dawkins just writing books about how much he hate god.

Spot on. "Believing ... ( 4 weeks ago by clarkster28)

Spot on. "Believing" something to be false and "Knowing" something to be false are two different things. If Philos wanted to be clever he would say agnosticism is a default position (I'm a believer not agnostic though). Moreover, It's just like statistics and hypothesis testing with the null hypothesis and the alternative. If it doesn't pass the test the statistician says "not sufficient evidence" NOT that it is false. Good review nonetheless.

A basic concept in ... ( 4 weeks ago by Prey2Hunter)

A basic concept in epistemology is that knowledge implies both belief and truth. Truth in this sense is an object that is invariant of belief. Knowing implies believing but not vice versa. They are not ENTIRELY different but far enough so that they can be separated.
And yeah I agree that agnosticism is the default position. And also on the "not sufficient evidence"; scientific inquiry cannot prove its philosophical presumptions and thus it's laws, theories, etc. cannot be proven to certainty.

Cool. Thanks for ... ( 3 weeks ago by clarkster28)

Cool. Thanks for the info. I looked up the venn diagrams for the truth, knowledge, belief concepts online.

Examine what you ... ( 3 weeks ago by Prey2Hunter)

Examine what you just said. For one, I don't know how you could relate a "hobby" to "belief"; they are clearly NOT the same thing. Secondly, it you define "hobby" as something you like to do, if you "like" to "not collect postage stamps" (same as saying "dislike collecting postage stamps"), then it could be considered a hobby. If you would consider sleeping, to be a hobby, then, of course, "not being awake" is also a hobby.

Oh, and one more ... ( 3 weeks ago by Prey2Hunter)

Oh, and one more thing, an atheist believes that there is no God; therefore, an atheist believes. It really is basic logic, and if you don't understand it, then too bad. You say that "not believing" is the same as having "no beliefs". "No beliefs" gives the impression that you make no decision concerning a topic; "not believing" means that you have made the decision to not believe. Saying "I have no beliefs concerning God" is different from saying "I do not believe in God".

"an atheist ... ( 3 weeks ago by Philos2006)

"an atheist believes that there is no God" That is not totally true sir. An atheist scientist believes that the existence of a god, given the absence of evidence, is very very unlikely.

The etymology of " ... ( 3 weeks ago by Prey2Hunter)

The etymology of "atheist": 'a' meaning 'not', and 'theos' meaning 'god'. Thus it is the belief that there is no God. That is the basic definition of atheist. Someone who claims that it might be unlikely for God's existence but still admits that it is possible, it agnostic.
I hope we haven't misunderstood each other: when I said that "no belief" is not the same as "I do not believe", I was assuming a continuation in the latter; i.e. I do not believe in "something"...

...but just saying ... ( 3 weeks ago by Prey2Hunter)

...but just saying "I do not believe" indeed implies "no belief"; it is the same as "I do not believe in anything" (I do not believe God exists and I don't believe that God doesn't exist). But you said "not believing something" which made me think of the former case.
Oh, and forget my last comment about hobbies after where the "Secondly". It depends on how you define "hobby" and I believe I used a "straw-man argument" (as I pointed out that you did in the first part of the comment).

Spot on. Philos is ... ( 3 weeks ago by clarkster28)

Spot on. Philos is using some cherry picking to affirm atheism isn't a belief. Even when he does he uses the word "Belief". It's a beleif nonetheless ,and him making an analogy to the "hobby" and stamp argument he used below is a non-parallel argument that asserts nothing that he is trying to prove about how atheism isn't a belef.

Indeed. I agree. ( 3 weeks ago by Prey2Hunter)

Indeed. I agree.

His arguments from ... ( 1 week ago by eancarana)

His arguments from design, from ignorance, from fine tuning, from false dilemma (L, L, or L argument), are all weak at best. He blatantly misrepresented Dawkins's position on child abuse (labeling, not teaching, a distinction he makes quite clear in his book, his lectures, and his debates).

Let's look at it in ... ( 1 week ago by eancarana)

Let's look at it in terms of research. His hypothesis is that there is a God. His null hypothesis is that there is no God. All of his evidence that show statistical significance are actually Type I errors (false positives). When this is pointed out to him, he says, "But there are alot of them; all together, they support my hypothesis. But even if they didn't, my faith tells me that I will ALWAYS reject the null hypothesis, no matter what the evidence says."

If his methodology ... ( 1 week ago by eancarana)

If his methodology in supporting his theology is so flawed, plus he's willing to fudge the data (i.e., Dawkins), why should I trust his methodology or data supporting his science, especially when he proposes to combine the two?

what would the ... ( 4 days ago by dmonyx)

what would the extended conclusion of an atheistic/nihilistic world view be? and why would it be better then a christian world view?

It was summarized ... ( 8 hours ago by cdpopham)

It was summarized in like 5 minutes... It was just his reflections. I would posit that the design argument/fine tuning argument are fairly strong.

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